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Linux-Activists Digest #828, Volume #3           Sun, 20 Dec 92 13:15:10 EST

Contents:
  Connecting Novell networks of 286 to linux/386bsd (Marius Hancu)
  Re: Modem control (was Re: uucico not hanging up the telephone line) (Bill Henning)
  Re: keyboard problems - v.99 (Adam Goldberg)
  Getting LINUX (Timothy D. Goss)
  List of Broken/Fixed Binaries in 0.99 [v1.00] (Tim Foley)
  [Q] Backspace Broken/different in 0.99 (Tim Foley)
  Are there thdeadson Linux? (was Re: Any one compiled xtank?) (Uri Blumenthal,35-016,8621267,)
  More 0.99 boot problems (even after fixes) (Gary Faulkner)
  SLS .99. & such questions/problems (bob myers)
  elm 2.4pl17 ([e-mail])
  Fujistu (ROOT OF INSIGHT-- A 486 RUNNING LINUX V0.99)
  Sls Install Problems (Geoffrey Anderson)
  Root Login Refused On Some Terminals, Can  (Simon Janes)
  IRC and c.o.l. traffic (John Hendrickson)
  xspread spreadsheet for Xwindows (Wendell Nichols 264-4655)
  Re: Root Login Refused On Some Terminals, Can (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar)
  various: ps, time, lpr, xdvi (Johan A. Grape)
  Re: TCP/IP Question: Disallow remote logins (Mark Evans)
  [SCSI] Gateway 2000 EISA w/Ultrastor 24F (david.a.cuka)

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From: [e-mail] (Marius Hancu)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Connecting Novell networks of 286 to linux/386bsd
Date: 16 Dec 92 12:27:56 GMT

Hi:

I sent linux to friends of mine in Romania. linux on 386s runs fine,
thank you, but they have the following difficulty: most of their PCs are
tied up in Novell Netware networks and those PCs, except for the
servers, are 286s (which cannot run linux/386bsd).

They would like to have linux/386bsd on the server and have dumb terminal
windows (for emacs or vi for example) or even X windows on the 286
slaves. Of course the point is to have access to the rich Unix
programmming environment available on linux/386bsd.
I have to mention there are several (not just one) 286s connected to a 386
server. In Romania, there are hundreds of 286 running just dos/windows,
and I'd like to change that...

I wonder if any of you has any experience in this area? I would
appreciate learning first of all about public domain tools, but if that
is not possible,...

I'd like to mention that Philip Copeland (Sys Admin)
<[e-mail]>, the resident linux  comm guru, has
informed me about the existence of a package from CDC, called


        Vista-eXceed from control data

        described as an X Window Server

which allows one to open X windows on the slaves running Windows. But I
would not mind at all having acces to some other experiences and
preferably referring to public domain stuff..

The network cards seem to be ne1000/2000, if this makes any difference
(I intend to suggest them to use the drivers by D. Becker on the
server).

Please mail or post.

Cheers and thanks,
--
Marius Hancu, Parallel Architectures Group
Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal (CRIM)
3744, Jean-Brillant, Bureau 500, Montreal, Quebec H3T 1P1, Canada
phone: [phone], fax: [phone], email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Henning)
Subject: Re: Modem control (was Re: uucico not hanging up the telephone line)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 06:31:42 GMT

Thanks, will disable text responses...


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From: [e-mail] (Adam Goldberg)
Subject: Re: keyboard problems - v.99
Date: 18 Dec 92 15:03:06 GMT

[e-mail] (Ed Carp) writes:

>Dean Troyer ([e-mail]) wrote:

>: Port 61 is listed in my BIOS reference as being the PS/2 System Port B, although
>: it's not unique to PS/2s.  It's uses include the speaker hardware & timer
>: control bits.  Check out the Mach sources kd.h.  The bummer is that I can't
>: find the purpose of bit 7 documented anywhere!  I suspect it controls one
>: of the keyboard controller's input pins.

>Bit 7: input - 1=IRQ 0 reset (timer 0 output latch)
>       output- Parity check state (1=parity check occurred)

>This is from "The Programmer's PC Sourcebook" by Thom Hogan.  An absolute
>*must* if you're going to be mucking about with the hardware. :)

I hate to be contrary, but "The Programmer's PC Sourcebook" is good if
and only if you need to look up something simple.  For example, if you
wanted to directly read from the keyboard controller:

You'd look to page 7-22 & 7-23 (TPPS, 2nd ed).  There it says in
section 7.018 "Command value 0x20 - read keyboard controller".

What the h*ll does that mean?  How do you use it?  What does the
returned value mean?

There are many better books.  For example, "IBM Microcomputers: A
programmer's handbook" by Sanchez.

Though I guess I can't fault Hogan too much.  The PC architecture is a
friggin mess, with very little standard anything.  Everybody does
everything just a tiny bit different.  Just enough to screw things up.

Adam
--
Adam G.
[e-mail], or ...!uunet!mcrware!adamg
The above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial
statements of Microware, or any Microware employees.

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From: [e-mail] (Timothy D. Goss)
Subject: Getting LINUX
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 23:01:04 GMT

Hi, someone told me that I can get linux from wuarchive.wustl.edu in
/mirrors/linux.  That's ok.  I can FTP the files but I can't get any
directory listings.  Can someone help me out here?  Thanks...  BTW, I am
not stupid I just don't have full FTP access.

Tim

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From: tfoley@camaro (Tim Foley)
Subject: List of Broken/Fixed Binaries in 0.99 [v1.00]
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:18:43 GMT



Below is an un-official list of programs which break under 0.99 (or 0.98.6)
and the method to get them running again.  I felt there was a great need
for such a thing.

Any Changes/Suggestions/Fixes, [e-mail] or whome!camaro!tfoley@uucp


     NOTE: ENSURE YOU GET THE NEW LIBC 4.2 FILE FROM YOUR LOCAL SITE

Revision        1.0
Date            12/19/92 7:30pm

NAME    STATUS  FIXED   METHOD OF REPAIR
===========================================================================
ps      Broke   Yes     -recompiled the ps-0.97.6.tar source
                        -ps -U after installing the new ps in /usr/bin
elm     Ok?     Yes     -Appears to work ok
trn     Ok?     Yes     -Appears to work ok (needs new sed)
emacs   Ok?     ???     -Appears to work ok (with new libc)
uucp    Broke   Yes     -recompiled the Taylor 1.03 with the -fwritable-strings in
                        the makefile in addition to all other cflags and
                        added the new libc.so.4.2 (MUST HAVE!)
minicom Broke   No      -mini98.5.tar patches did not fix, still broke
rz/sz   ?????   ???     -Status Untested
sed     Broke?  Yes     -Did not behave reliably, version GNU 1.09
                        -Get GNU 1.13, added -dHAVE_BCOPY and removed def in
                        sed.c for sys_errlist as its in errno.h
                        -now works properly, fixes INEWS problem
cnews   Broke   Yes     -Inews shell script keeps dumping in dead.article
                        -Due to SED not fully working
mail    Broke   Yes     -Recompiled the mailpak-1.3 mail, with -fwritable-strings in
                        the makefile, remember to re-link rmail as well
getty   Broke   Yes     -Recompiled the 2.04 (Not 2.03) sources
                        -No longer likes terminals?  Had to use uugetty for
                        my vt220
uugetty Broke   Yes     -Recompiled the 2.04 (Not 2.03) sources


 The new lib, libc.so.4.2 seems to solve many a problem actually.



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From: tfoley@camaro (Tim Foley)
Subject: [Q] Backspace Broken/different in 0.99
Date: 19 Dec 92 19:22:14 GMT

Has anyone else had any problems with the backspace in 0.99?  I find that
it no longer works, even with terminals and with stty erase '^H' set...but
CTRL H manually works fine.
  As an example, try using TRN and 'g news.testr<-BACKSPACE' or some such
thing and see if it says can't find news group news.test^H....

  If anyone has any ideas?  Drop a line.

P.S. I am using getty/uugetty 2.04 with 0.99 and all patches.




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From: [e-mail] (Uri Blumenthal,35-016,8621267,)
Subject: Are there thdeadson Linux? (was Re: Any one compiled xtank?)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 02:44:59 GMT

>From article <[e-mail]>, by [e-mail] (Dennis Robinson):
> I was wondering if anyone compiled xtank on linux.  Im about to try myself
> and will let you know how it goes.

And I'd like to know, whether there is "libpthreads.a", or something
similar... [That would solve XTanks's problem as well :-]
--
Regards,
Uri.            [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Faulkner)
Subject: More 0.99 boot problems (even after fixes)
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:00:19 GMT

Hello all

I have been trying to get 0.99 to boot on my 486 tonight, with no
luck.  It's dying in a very strange (to me) place...

The system comes up and appears to sense all of the devices, until
it gets to the call to move_to_user_mode() in init/main.c.  When
this call is made, the system just hangs.  I can't even
ctl-alt-del reboot.  I have to reset the machine.

I'm not very 80x86 assembler literate, so I'm not sure what
move_to_user_mode() is trying to do.  Is it 'supposed' to return to
main?  If so, it is not.  I put a printk() before and after it, and
the one before prints, but nothing thereafter.

My system is a 486 w/ 8Meg, IDE drives, no-SCSI (tried with SCSI
configured in and out...no change), no ethernet (but have TCP in my
0.98-5 kernel w/ no problems...and sock_init() appears to work, just
complains about no ethernet card).

I'd really like to get .99 up...and tested out on my machine before
the holidays.

Does anyone have any pointers on where to proceed from here?

Thanks in advance!!
--
Gary Faulkner -- My views are no more Amdahl's than Amdahl's views are mine.

     Brought to you by the letter 'G'.

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From: [e-mail] (bob myers)
Subject: SLS .99. & such questions/problems
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 04:11:25 GMT

I have a few questions/suggestions about the .99 release (which may
or may not have been approached yet for resolution); here goes...

1) boot off of the bootdisk created after the installation -- apparently
the system makes comment about the vga selections, as if to prompt the
user to select the appropriate one...but, it keeps on going (yep, i know,
this might be fixed by reading the FAQ and issuing the appropriate rdev
command).

2) When using 'useradd username', the command produces a line of info, and
says that the user id has been set to /home/username -- this directory
was not created and assigned appropriate ownership(s)!

3) sometimes trying to telnet back into the system results in a connection
closed message.  had this happen about 3~5 times.

4) I was not able to run elm as a non-root user.  got a message back from
elm about having no password...(where's the man page, by the way??? -- not
included/installed).

5) why, at installation time when i'm asked if i have a 486 or floating-point
unit, isn't an appropriate link created for lm.a?  (as in ln libsoft.a libm.a)
for the non-FP situation.

6 -- why isn't there a different prompt for a non-root user?  I'm getting
confused when i see that '#' prompt and not logged in as root...

-bob


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Shyguy's AT&T SVR4 Unix/Uniboard | shy guys....you never know
Email:[e-mail] | what they're thinking..:)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: elm 2.4pl17
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 17:42:30 GMT


Has anyone managed to get elm2.4pl17 to compile ?
I keep getting all these undfined_symbol in the elm libutil.a.
After a lot of patching I managed to get elm itself to compile but
I have given up on the utils becuase I figure there must be somthing I
have overlooked thats giving all these errors. I am using gcc 2.2.2d7

- Ernie.
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From: tannerrj@cnsvax (ROOT OF INSIGHT-- A 486 RUNNING LINUX V0.99)
Subject: Fujistu
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1992 11:28:00 GMT

I am looking for the stats (heads, sectors and cylinders) for
the Fujistu SCSI drive model number m2624F-512. Thanks

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From: [e-mail] (Geoffrey Anderson)
Subject: Sls Install Problems
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 20:57:01 -0800

Hello Edward!

Tuesday December 15 1992, Edward Deering Boykin writes to All:

 EDB> From: [e-mail] (Edward Deering Boykin)

 EDB> Loopback device init
 EDB> Warning WD8013 board not found at i/0 280

              ^^^^^^ An Ethernet board for tcp/ip?!? not sure myself

 EDB> hda
 EDB> partition table ok
 EDB> general protection 0000
 EDB> EIP: 0008: 0000B6C4
 EDB> EFLAGS: 00010286
 EDB> fs: 0017
 EDB> base: C0000000, limit 000A0000
 EDB> pid: 1, process nr: 1
 EDB> 8b 13 85 dZ 74 27 83 3a 02 74


 EDB> it hangs at this point?
 EDB> What is WD8013. If it is some western digital board I don't have
one so
 EDB> why is it looking for it? I got a mesage when rawriting a2 to
floppy but
 EDB> a2 worked(or seemed to) fine when I used a1 and a2 to start up.
All help
 EDB> will be greatly appreciated.

 I get this same error when I try to boot .99 installed from SLS.  I
assume it is the init process crashing 'cuz the [scroll lock] and
assorted "reporting" keys still tell me process status, mem status and
the sorts.  Any help out there?
The .98.5 that I am using breaks alot of things here that I wanna get
fixed, but I want a more steady environment before I dive into the
code!

Geoffrey

 * Origin: The Hotel California BBS (1:143/224.0)


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From: [e-mail] (Simon Janes)
Subject: Root Login Refused On Some Terminals, Can
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 15:58:00 -0800

There is a file called /etc/securetty that lists all of the "trusted"
terminals to allow root logins. If you try and login as root from a
terminal not listed in /etc/securetty login will not allow you to
login.

Simon

 * Origin: My UnKnown BBS - Alexandria VA * 703-780-6890 V.32bis
(1:109/370)


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From: [e-mail] (John Hendrickson)
Subject: IRC and c.o.l. traffic
Date: 19 Dec 92 12:58:45 GMT

Greetings people,

I was browsing through the couple hundred messages here and a though crossed
my mind...  I help answer questions on the #linux channel on IRC and I
thought that if alot more people out in the world that had access to IRC
could get on the #linux channel and ask there questions before posting
then to the world, it would save alot of repeated questions as well as
possibly get you an answer alot faster than this newsgroup.

So if you have not stopped by the #linux channel and have IRC access,
drop in and say HI.

John a.k.a. Turch on #linux

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From: [e-mail] (Wendell Nichols 264-4655)
Subject: xspread spreadsheet for Xwindows
Date: 18 Dec 92 23:30:24 GMT

Sender: Wendell Nichols
Followup-To:
Distribution: comp.os.linux
Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group
Keywords:

My first posting, so if its screwed up... I plead ignorance.
This is a short diff to make the xspread-1.1 program compile
on linux.  I am not big into spreadsheets, but I tried a few things
with this one and it does the demo's, and can add 2+2, claims to be
better than lotus, but then how could it be worse (price/performance?).
You can get the source from export, but I got mine from a site mentioned
in the comp.xwindows.announce group a couple days ago.  sorry the
name is jotted down at work...
Have fun... Wendell Nichols


diff -rc xspread/Imakefile xspread.linux/Imakefile
*** xspread/Imakefile   Tue Aug  4 20:26:48 1992
--- xspread.linux/Imakefile     Fri Dec 18 14:28:54 1992
***************
*** 3,9 ****
    CDEBUGFLAGS = -g
    EXTRA_DEFINES = -DSC_FONT=\"fixed\" -DSIGVOID
  #else
!   CDEBUGFLAGS = -g
    EXTRA_DEFINES = -DSC_FONT=\"fixed\" -DBSD43 $(SIGVOID)
  #endif

--- 3,9 ----
    CDEBUGFLAGS = -g
    EXTRA_DEFINES = -DSC_FONT=\"fixed\" -DSIGVOID
  #else
!   CDEBUGFLAGS = -O6
    EXTRA_DEFINES = -DSC_FONT=\"fixed\" -DBSD43 $(SIGVOID)
  #endif

diff -rc xspread/plot_XY.c xspread.linux/plot_XY.c
*** xspread/plot_XY.c   Tue Jul 28 19:26:38 1992
--- xspread.linux/plot_XY.c     Fri Dec 18 14:30:37 1992
***************
*** 683,689 ****
    points[5].y = 4;
    XDrawLines(dpy, win, maingcreversed, points, 6, CoordModePrevious);
  }
!
  /*
   * pow10 calculates the power function of base 10
   */
--- 683,689 ----
    points[5].y = 4;
    XDrawLines(dpy, win, maingcreversed, points, 6, CoordModePrevious);
  }
! #ifndef linux
  /*
   * pow10 calculates the power function of base 10
   */
***************
*** 705,711 ****
     }
     return q;
  }
!

  /*
   * rm_tail_zero removes heading white spaces, trailing white spaces,
--- 705,711 ----
     }
     return q;
  }
! #endif

  /*
   * rm_tail_zero removes heading white spaces, trailing white spaces,
diff -rc xspread/sc.c xspread.linux/sc.c
*** xspread/sc.c        Tue Aug  4 20:24:58 1992
--- xspread.linux/sc.c  Fri Dec 18 14:29:51 1992
***************
*** 1520,1526 ****
--- 1520,1528 ----
      (void) signal(SIGTERM, quit);
      (void) signal(SIGALRM, time_out);
      (void) signal(SIGFPE, quit);
+ #ifndef linux
      (void) signal(SIGBUS, quit);
+ #endif
  }


  #ifdef SIGVOID

Not clever enough to compose a signature worth the bandwidth...

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar)
Subject: Re: Root Login Refused On Some Terminals, Can
Date: 20 Dec 1992 12:21:52 GMT

[e-mail] (Simon Janes) writes:
>There is a file called /etc/securetty that lists all of the "trusted"
>terminals to allow root logins. If you try and login as root from a
>terminal not listed in /etc/securetty login will not allow you to
>login.

Of course, you can always login as some other user, then "su"...

I figured this out when accessing my Linux box at work from my box
at home (hey, I'm a newby to sysadmin, OK?).  Keeping it this way
gives you two layers of password protection between root access and
the outside world.

This way, the average pimple-faced 14-year-old with his trusty Atari 400
will have about as much chance of gaining root access on your machine as
he has of starting an affair with Princess Diana.  Can you say "1/2^128"?

Though I've heard that since the Royal Couple split up, his chances with
the Princess are somewhat better of late...

Rick Miller   <[e-mail]> | <[e-mail]>   Ricxjo Muelisto
Occupation:  Husband, Father, WEPCo. WAN Mgr., Discus Sys0p, and  Linux fan

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From: [e-mail] (Johan A. Grape)
Subject: various: ps, time, lpr, xdvi
Date: 16 Dec 92 14:29:38 GMT


Hi y'all.

I have been running linux since 0.98.3 (SLS), and have been having
minor problems:

xdvi:
        I know there is a simple fix for this.  I get a floating
        point exception and a core dump (I use mathemu) whenever
        I invoke.  I tried getting new sources, but make chokes
        on FS_SYNC undefined.  Anyone have a fix, or tell me
        where I get whatever lib or include that defines FS_SYNC?
        (I apologize for the lack of detail - I had an article
        made up at home, but my floppy got trashed on the way to
        work)

I upgraded tyhe kernel to 0.99-45 just three days ago, and got new
binaries for usr/bin from the latest SLS distribution.  However,
these two errors still occur:

ps aux
USER    PID     CPU     MEM     SIZE  RSS TT STAT START TIME COM
error reading kmem (offset = 0x4010000)
adm     32768   0.0     799.9   4     131068a0 S   21:13 0:00

I tried to fix this with ps -U, but the net result was that
ps simply didn't try to display processes at all.

time:
warning: time using old stat() call. recompile (but I got the latest usr/bin)

Finally, I have been making no progress with getting lpd, lpr to work.
I got the ported BSD that resides on tsx-11.mit.edu in the form of
binaries, installed it, was surprised about some of the paths (but I guess
that is the porters discression), and changed the GID of the binaries
to daemon, and the spool directories to UID & GID daemon.  I also changed
the GID of /dev/lps (serial printer) to daemon.  I setup the printcap and
away we go:

lpr fubar.txt
lpr: connect: invalid argument
jobs qued, but cannot start daemon

The same thing happens if I try to use lpc to start and stop
printers.  Any ideas?

________

My deepfelt gratitude to all, and especially Linus for the amazing
contributions to the world.  I think it is easy to loose sight of
what an amazing contribution this OS is.  When I discovered linux,
I promptly sold my Mac due to various grievances concerning their
policies, and seriously overpriced hardware.  Linux has set me free,
free from hardware woes, free from cost woes, and free to finally
do something interesting with computers I can afford.  I am, of course,
also set free to spenmd long evenings trying to figure out why lpr won't
work - but at least I didn't pay money for the privelige of trying
to figure it out.  Happy holidays and thanks again.

Regards
Johan

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Question: Disallow remote logins
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:31:43 GMT

[e-mail] wrote:
: I know it is possible via securetty to prohibit anyone from logging in as
: root via telnet.  Is there a way to prohibit an arbitrary user from
: logging in remotely via telnet?

this happens by default, if you only have the virtual consoles in /etc/securetty.

To do the latter you will need to alter login.

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From: [e-mail] (david.a.cuka)
Subject: [SCSI] Gateway 2000 EISA w/Ultrastor 24F
Date: 16 Dec 92 15:47:01 GMT

A friend of mine has a Gateway 2000 EISA machine with an Ultrastor 24F
SCSI adapter installed.  Naturally, Linux does not recognize the 24F.

The source code for the 14F driver indicates that it might work with the
24F some modifications.  Anyone know what modifications might be needed?
The first I can think of is how to get Linux to detect the card....

Also, the docs for the 24F indicate that it can operate in an ISA mode
if so configured.  Would this be the route to follow?

Any help appreciated...

dac

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